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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Feb 15, 2012 9:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1969-02-15.sbd.goodbear.2175.sbeok.shnf

Sadly, this amazing performance has too many cuts to fully enjoy the whole show, but here are the songs you should check out:

The Other One is blistering hot. A very intense, dark version.

Morning Dew is incredible. Jerry's guitar-work in the climax is some of my favorite ever on a Dew. Just incredible licks from him the entire show, and great vocals as well.

Dupree's and Mountains of the Moon are well done, particularly MOTM, with some more top-notch vocals.

Alligator through Caution is phenomenal. If you only listen to one part of this show, give this particular segment the attention it deserves. Be warned, the Caution is intense enough to induce seizures. The "Bid You Goodnight Jam" is awesome, but I do wonder, why are the Bid You Goonight Jams not called GDTRFB Jams?


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Poster: wisconsindead Date: Feb 15, 2012 10:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

Ya know I never understood the connection between the ending of GDTRFB and bid you goodnight. Maybe some musician could enlighten me.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Feb 15, 2012 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

It's been a mystery to me too - why they tailed off the end of GDTRFB in this fashion, after rockin' it out. It is properly titled Bid You Goodnight jam, because that's the melody - you can hear Jerry play "lay down, my dear brothers" very clearly. I always thought it was a substitute for singing the full tune ... but it also serves as a sort of bridge back into NFA. Perhaps "Bid You" was too much of a downer as a set closer (even though they did this as an encore!) - like Weir, I always prefer a rabble-rousing rocker to close.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 15, 2012 6:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

Emotionally, it's no mystery at all. At least to me.
Of course, they could have gone straight back from "don't want to be feeling this a way!" to the NFA drumbeats, but then we'd miss the contrast with the bittersweet Goodnight theme.
Musically, it probably makes the most sense in the earliest versions - they'd been doing the Goodnight jam in NFA, so when GDTRFB also got inserted in NFA, it made a fitting bridge. Also, GDTRFB wasn't as rocked-out in its early days, it was done a bit more quietly, so the transition wasn't quite as abrupt as in later years.

There was one show, and one only, where they ended the show with the Goodnight jam after GDTRFB:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd72-11-19.sbd.winters.17705.sbeok.shnf

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Feb 15, 2012 12:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

" why are the Bid You Goonight Jams not called GDTRFB Jams?"

Because they are jamming over the top of the chord changes to "and We Bid You Goodnight"

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Feb 15, 2012 4:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

Right, but it's also the same chords as most of GDTRFB, and the licks in the Bid You Goodnight jam are almost the same as the ones in the outro jam of every version of GDTRFB. It sounds a lot more like the ending of GDTRFB than any Bid You Goodnight.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Feb 15, 2012 5:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

Its the same basic chords...but a different progression. and omitting the money chord from GDTRFB - C#m. The B7 is the pivot point instead.


(E)Lay down my dear brothers

(A)Lay down and take your rest

I want you to(E) lay your head upon your saviors (B7)breast

(E)I may love you oh but (A)Jesus loves you the(E) best

and I bid you good(A)night, good(B)night, good(E)night

and then back and forth from E->D->E->D->the next song

The guitar melody line replaces the vocals. This is a classic Gospel progression - check out Amazing Grace - almost the same...slightly different turn-around.



This post was modified by Little Sense on 2012-02-16 01:05:36

This post was modified by Little Sense on 2012-02-16 01:08:57

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Feb 15, 2012 5:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

I get what you're saying, but you get what I'm trying to say? Listen to the end of almost any GDTRFB, and they all sound like a more matured, usually slower version of those early Bid You Goodnight jams. They play virtually the same licks, and overall those jams sound nothing like the actual song We Bid You Goodnight since the tempos are so different.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Feb 15, 2012 6:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

Just to see if we're talking about apples and oranges...

This version they do the Bid You Goodnight refrain twice after GDTRFB.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-12-01.sbd.clugston.6648.sbefail.shnf

This version its just a GDTRFB jam, no Bid You Goodnight at all.

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1973-06-10.sbd.miller.89640.sbeok.flac16

I can sing the words to Bid U Goodnight right along with Jerry's playing most of the time, when he's playing the refrain.



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Poster: ducats Date: Feb 15, 2012 2:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

any idea how many x they did doin that rag? been tryin to figure it out since we saw it in montclair

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Feb 15, 2012 6:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

"why are the Bid You Goodnight Jams not called GDTRFB Jams?"

One good reason is that the Dead didn't start doing GDTRFB until October 1970, so the Goodnight jam predated it by years. Also that the Goodnight jam was attached as an appendage to GDTRFB (in slower form) - it wasn't so much part of the song, but an epilogue and/or transition theme. It would be like calling the Feelin' Groovy jam in 1970 Dark Stars a "China>Rider jam."

Also, the Goodnight jam was a moveable theme for the Dead - in '68/69 it was played in Alligators, but in 1970 it was played in Not Fade Aways. And that's ultimately why it got tagged onto GDTRFB - once they started putting that tune in the middle of NFA, the Goodnight theme served as a fitting segue back to NFA, since they'd already been playing it in there. So you'd be just as justified in calling it a "NFA jam."

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Feb 15, 2012 7:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

Thank you, that was quite helpful.

Little Sense, I don't really understand the point you're trying to make in your last post. I think the above post explains things pretty well though.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Feb 15, 2012 2:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

This is an excellent performance from 1969, almost as good as the the Dream Bowl shows the week after. This Alligator>Caution I consider to be one of the all time best under the radar performances - the Caution seriously gives me heart palpatations- There are moments of intensity in jerrys playing that I've heard in few other places. I should also mention the nice version of Dark Star which has an interesting baroque feel to it.

That said, I feel this performance is a bit overshadowed by TDIH 1973:




http://www.archive.org/post/348382/tdih-1973-heat-wave-in-the-frozen-tundra

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Poster: rdenirojb87 Date: Feb 15, 2012 4:42pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

Love those Dream Bowl Elevens. Two more outstanding shows from arguably the greatest time period in the band's history.

Yes, the Caution is just seriously insane stuff. The GDTRFB jam really gets things cookin' and the second it segues into Caution, Jerry takes things to yet another level, and it is truly a unique and standout version.

I also prefer that illustrious '73 Dane County Coliseum show, but I like to give attention to the lesser known shows. Nice writeup on that one though. Also, your name seems to pop up in the reviews of the shows I listen to more often than anyone else's. You must have good taste! Then again, I just checked it out and you have a ton of shows you've commented on! Your comments always seem to be dead-on though.

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Poster: clementinescaboose Date: Feb 16, 2012 1:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: TDIH - Electric Factory 1969

Ya I don't mean to overshadow yah or anything. I for one think the early years don't get nearly enough of the attention they deserve by many. I'm glad to know we have a lot of the same tastes.

Thanks for the support, I do like to write reviews in my spare time (or as a diversion from what I need to get done) and it's cool to know that people do get something out of it other than me stroking my ego ;)

One thing that bothers me about my show comments is I tend to review shows too soon after hearing them. I've had to revise stuff quite a bit that I've under or over rated. But I guess that's part of the fun of it all, seeing how you perception can change over time.

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